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« am: 8.Mai 2008 11:59:25 »
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Bitte helfe!!! (meine deutsch ist sehr slecht aber ich versuch es mal) Ich hat am periferie (paris) panne bekommen mit meinem c303. Die V-snare ware gebrend dem die Lichtmaschine kaput is. Jetz suche ich eine neuhe aber who kan man eine bekommen? Und ist die Lichtmaschine auch (wie die wage) 24 Volt?

Kan nur ein marchel drein oder kibt es auch andere Lichtmaschine (bosch?)

So for the english speaking people. I have burnt my v-belt because my alternator has gone bad. Now i'm desperately seeking a replacement. I wonder wether i can replace it with a third party alternator or i need to get a new marchel and if so how??? Please help because at the moment i'm living at an industrial park near orly airport (Paris) wich is very, very bad....

Thanks danke, Frank
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« am: 8.Mai 2008 12:21:11 »
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Welcome to the community www.amerikaas.nl ,

i am sorry that you are experiencing some problems with your vehicle.  I am no expert as I have only owned my TGB13 for a short time, I am sure some one will answer you exactly.

The belts should easily be replaced with pattern parts if the dimensions are known.

The alienator possibly could be rebuilt even to a higher specification.  I do not see why an alternative alternator should not be used as long as bracketry and electronics allow.  There are many alternators to choose from many vehicle manufacturers and also specialist alternators with very high outputs to enable you to run modern high ampere equipment and to keep your batteries in good order.
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« am: 8.Mai 2008 12:25:47 »
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uote author=www.amerikaas.nl link=board=36;threadid=8240;start=0#msg52731 date=1210247965]
Bitte helfe!!! (meine deutsch ist sehr slecht aber ich versuch es mal) Ich hat am periferie (paris) panne bekommen mit meinem c303. Die V-snare ware gebrend dem die Lichtmaschine kaput is. Jetz suche ich eine neuhe aber who kan man eine bekommen? Und ist die Lichtmaschine auch (wie die wage) 24 Volt?

Kan nur ein marchel drein oder kibt es auch andere Lichtmaschine (bosch?)

So for the english speaking people. I have burnt my v-belt because my alternator has gone bad. Now i'm desperately seeking a replacement. I wonder wether i can replace it with a third party alternator or i need to get a new marchel and if so how??? Please help because at the moment i'm living at an industrial park near orly airport (Paris) wich is very, very bad....

Thanks danke, Frank
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Hi Frank,

you need the 24 V version.

sev marchel is now part of valeo, but there is no new version for this sev marchel part.

I know from Frank (volvo666, mobile +49 174 3347618) that some parts of the valeo alternators are still identical. He also told me that he was able to use a bosch model only after minor modifications. Just call him for more information ...


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« am: 8.Mai 2008 13:33:8 »
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thanks for the fast replies. I will surely call Frank this evening and will keep you posted on my findings. Other suggestions are allways very welcome...
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« am: 8.Mai 2008 15:1:35 »
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Hi Frank,

In the military TGB is 24V-Volt everywhere, you can see: you will have two batteries serial connectec.

There has been normally a 35 A alternator with a quite small regulator box in the cabin as well as some Radio Cars with a 70 A alternator with a bigger metall box for th regulator, also sitting near the right seat.

That means at first: The V-blet ist strong enough to power every alternator in between 35 and 70 A, no problem.

An expert following the electric cabling plan  can easyly decide, if it is possible to insert a new alternator with integrated regulator or if it is more easy to get an alternator to work with an external regulator or even the existing regulator.

The replacement has to be the right size and to turn around in the right direction. May be you need to build some flat irons with long holes to fix it.

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« am: 8.Mai 2008 19:46:35 »
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Zitat von: www.amerikaas.nl am 8.Mai 2008 11:59:25
Bitte helfe!!! (meine deutsch ist sehr slecht aber ich versuch es mal) Ich hat am periferie (paris) panne bekommen mit meinem c303. Die V-snare ware gebrend dem die Lichtmaschine kaput is. Jetz suche ich eine neuhe aber who kan man eine bekommen? Und ist die Lichtmaschine auch (wie die wage) 24 Volt?

Kan nur ein marchel drein oder kibt es auch andere Lichtmaschine (bosch?)

So for the english speaking people. I have burnt my v-belt because my alternator has gone bad. Now i'm desperately seeking a replacement. I wonder wether i can replace it with a third party alternator or i need to get a new marchel and if so how??? Please help because at the moment i'm living at an industrial park near orly airport (Paris) wich is very, very bad....

Thanks danke, Frank


Not sure how common a Bosch service point would be in that neighbourhood, but that would have been my first plan, having it rebuild on-site, pending shipment of a new alternator (never hurts to have a spare; either the spare rebuild/new or the one you are actually using).
(and the same shop should be able to supply with several alternatives from new stock, Bosch or otherwise)
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« am: 8.Mai 2008 20:9:51 »
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Btw, reading your website, and your ANWB-Insurance: this gives you free shipping of repair parts, IIRC.

And if you haven't ordered anything yet, try to get a spare startmotor as well....and that plastic gear set for the engine (see other thread, Afrika-expedition, breaking those gears twice).

Waterpump as a spare wouldn't be bad either....and you seem to have some time in Spain to arrange all that.
(or will you return to Holland first, and then ship the vehicle to South-America?)

And a spare wipermotor and windscreen washer pump perhaps?
(my washer pump recently broke....already had a set of spares (one French, one VDO, not sure why that donor vehicle (mine is 12v) had two, since the French one seems original....but of course, being French, it can't be disassembled easily (popnails), and the spare has broken nipple....

The good thing about safari windscreens is that even in the worst insect-infested area's, you don't really need that washer pump....:))
(but then you shouldn't mind chewing some insects too)
(I have thought about buying an helmet made for chain-saw operators, just for that purpose....a helmet with a wire-mesh visor, full-face protection yet still good ventilation....would even protect against small stones and other road debris, flying in your face)




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« am: 8.Mai 2008 23:51:29 »
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i was searching for information about our alternator since i read this thread this afternoon, but no real hit...
but one: i found a page which may get spare parts for sev marshall in 24v edition.

hb-elektrik

maybe that might  help.
nice homepage btw.

all the best,

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lichtmaschine wieder Volvo Penta?
« am: 15.Mai 2008 07:1:55 »
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Again a hard question about my alternator. The capitol of france is not caple of fixing my broken alternator nor do they have the creativity to fix in an alternative. As usual i have to do it myself and therefor i'm somewhat dependent on your help (again)

So my conclusions are that an spare 24 Alternator is not available
A Volvo Penta AQ170B and AQ170 are comparable to our b30 engines
I can fix 'a' bosch alternator or 'a' VolvoTruck/Daftruck 24 Alternator with some minor modifications

next step witch alternator is 'a'

I've found so far:

http://watersport.tweedehands.net/accessoires-diversen/dynamo-24-volt-100-amp-ook-massa-vrij-nieuw.html

http://www.marinepartseurope.com/fi/volvo-penta-rajaytyskuva-7736850-30-12836C.aspx

http://mascostartersandalternators.com/Sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=118

Has anybody any usefull suggestions considering these options or additional options?

Thanks Frank (still stuck in paris)
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Re:lichtmaschine wieder Volvo Penta?
« am: 15.Mai 2008 14:18:25 »
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Hi frank,

what a mess to spend the holidays in such a way....

Zitat von: www.amerikaas.nl am 15.Mai 2008 07:1:55
Again a hard question about my alternator. The capitol of france is not caple of fixing my broken alternator nor do they have the creativity to fix in an alternative.


Do you speak french? If not, it may be a reason for less efforts...

Zitat:
I can fix 'a' bosch alternator or 'a' VolvoTruck/Daftruck 24 Alternator with some minor modifications


If you have checked space, direction of rotation and availability of a regulator - may be it is included inside of the alternator now - a truck-alternator may fit.

Then you are ready...

In my english manuals unfortunately only a Bosch-Type for 12 Volt is mentioned.

Zitat:
http://watersport.tweedehands.net/accessoires-diversen/dynamo-24-volt-100-amp-ook-massa-vrij-nieuw.html


It dosn't look as if it could fit easily. It has got 3 holes with 120° in between, not 2 holes with 180° in between. 100 A - quite a lot.

Zitat:
http://www.marinepartseurope.com/fi/volvo-penta-rajaytyskuva-7736850-30-12836C.aspx


This looks as if it could fit good, but 25 A is a little low.

Zitat:
http://mascostartersandalternators.com/Sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=118


My favorite, but to be imported form US, which needs more time and more trouble if there are some problems, I assume.

If you are not happy with a free replacement from somewhat, try to get something like the third one: 60 A sounds good, 35 A is original, 40 is ok as well.

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Re:lichtmaschine wieder Volvo Penta?
« am: 15.Mai 2008 15:47:28 »
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Thanks for answering again micheal, but what do yoy mean by:
"If you are not happy with a free replacement from somewhat"

I allso shear youre point of view on the other alternators... But all that seems to be left is drive around paris with my broken down alternator in search of a comparable one... wich is a lot of fuzz if youre car has broken down :-((((



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Re:lichtmaschine wieder Volvo Penta?
« am: 15.Mai 2008 15:56:29 »
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Sorry for my bad use of english...

I wanted to say:

It looks as if you can get away from your breakdown with an alternator with no special brand or size, it may just fit in and your car will hopefully run fine again. "Free" was not in the meaning "free of cost" but "free of trademark" - just something that works, nothing special.

As you said it is a bad driving around to get such a replacement from some scrapyard or truck dealer.

But if that is done and you can drive away again AND you are unhappy with your car with that "freestyle"-replacement, then you can start to get a new/used part that is the right one.

Considering the costs and time it may be better to try the right thing at once - I thought it would be more easy to get some alternator in the right size in such a big city.

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« am: 15.Mai 2008 16:4:26 »
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Reminds me of my desire to find a compact auxiliary 12v/24v generator, for exactly this scenario.
A second alternator permanently mounted on the engine is just not as foolproof as a separate generator, even though not many (small) generators will be capable of running for weeks continuously, in very remote area's (I once read that most el-cheapo's are only rated for 500 hours between overhaul, diesel for 1000-1500 hours). 

But in your case, I wouldn't hesitate getting even a 25 unit....leave off the lights and even the interior fan if you can (nice to have that safari windscreen then....:)), and you should be fine.

Are you sure though that nobody in Germany is capable of sending you a spare/surplus 24v unit?
None of the Swedes reading here neither?
Have you contacted TK-Styling in Hamburg (& Sweden)?

Generator alternative, if push comes to shove: buy ordinary 230v alternator, plus decent 230v->24v charger, and hook them up together, so you can drive on, and solve the problem further along the route.

A friend in Holland, holding a decent stack of Volvo 24 spare parts, is ill with influenza at the moment, so he is no help for you either (before he was on holiday abroad).

Otherwise send me your contact details (phone) by private email, to w.j.markerink@a1.nl, to see if I can arrange something else for you, here or in Germany/Sweden.


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Re:lichtmaschine wieder Volvo Penta?
« am: 15.Mai 2008 16:14:16 »
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I found the swedish service manual and the extracted single pdf-pages:

Here the specifications for the alternators and regulators:

http://www.c303.de/c303-pdf/test/pg_0288.pdf
http://www.c303.de/c303-pdf/test/pg_0288.pdf

And here some more details:

http://www.c303.de/c303-pdf/test/pg_0297.pdf
http://www.c303.de/c303-pdf/test/pg_0298.pdf
http://www.c303.de/c303-pdf/test/pg_0299.pdf
http://www.c303.de/c303-pdf/test/pg_0300.pdf

More pages are more than 1 MB each page...
But there are nearly 20 Pages how to repair and measure the electrical effects - just in swedish, but pictures talk as well...

Please tell me if you like do download, I will put them online.

good hope
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« am: 15.Mai 2008 19:52:34 »
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Zitat von: www.amerikaas.nl am 15.Mai 2008 07:1:55
Has anybody any usefull suggestions considering these options or additional options?

Thanks Frank (still stuck in paris)


Hi Frank

you may ask Yankee (yankee@auf-allen-vieren.de), he have some used alternators on stock. And he can organize new Volvo-Alternator wich fit in our cars nearly without modification. they have water protection and internal regulator.

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« am: 16.Mai 2008 21:47:24 »
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Zitat von: Fireman_Frank am 15.Mai 2008 19:52:34
Zitat von: www.amerikaas.nl am 15.Mai 2008 07:1:55
Has anybody any usefull suggestions considering these options or additional options?

Thanks Frank (still stuck in paris)


Hi Frank

you may ask Yankee (yankee@auf-allen-vieren.de), he have some used alternators on stock. And he can organize new Volvo-Alternator wich fit in our cars nearly without modification. they have water protection and internal regulator.

Regards Frank



Does that read 'waterproof', or just 'sealed bearings'?
(I found a Valeo-reference to the latter, when searching on the Dutch 'waterdichte dynamo', but the only other real waterproof alternators I found (through a question on the Swedish forums, if only to learn whether 12v versions of this Volvo also exist(?)) are either older military/USA, or the current watercooled Mercedes alternators (mounted to cramped to get sufficient aircooling))



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« am: 19.Mai 2008 14:48:21 »
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This is it the replacement for the original alternator, better, cheaper and ready to mount without any modifications

cgi.ebay.fr/Lichtmaschine-Volvo-Penta-Marine-Renault-24-Volt-0017_W0QQitemZ370040006811

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« am: 19.Mai 2008 18:3:36 »
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In the original swedish service manual is written:

Rotationsriktning: medurs

Looking for medurs gives http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Med-_och_moturs
with a picture, that shows: medurs = turning to the right / rechts herum

I assume, for all alternators the direction of rotation is taken from the side with the belt.

From this point of view it will be a good solution, if the size in the other dimensions is ok.

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« am: 8.Juni 2008 11:58:47 »
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Zitat von: www.amerikaas.nl am 19.Mai 2008 14:48:21
This is it the replacement for the original alternator, better, cheaper and ready to mount without any modifications

cgi.ebay.fr/Lichtmaschine-Volvo-Penta-Marine-Renault-24-Volt-0017_W0QQitemZ370040006811

Frank

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same link in german translation (ebay dot de)
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